Over the summer, when Dirk ranked potential scoring forwards the Predators could seek in trade, Ales Hemsky's name came to the top. In 47 games last season, Hemsky's 5-on-5 scoring rate was superstar quality, higher than Anze Kopitar's, higher than Alex Semin's, higher than that of each of Anaheim's big three.
Times are different, though, you say. Nashville has the 12th ranked offense in the NHL and Hemsky is struggling in Edmonton.
But how are the Predators scoring? 5-on-5, the shutdown line--i.e. the line facing the toughest competition--centered by Mike Fisher, leads the way. On the man advantage, a trio of Americans--David Legwand, Colin Wilson, and Craig Smith--have combined to make the Predators' power play the third-best in hockey.
What happens in the playoffs, however, when Kostitsyn/Fisher/Erat consistently face tougher top lines and fewer penalties make special teams a moot point? The Predators risk a Vancouver-series situation, in which it takes incredible individual offensive effort to break the game open. Someone who can go coast to coast like butter toast. Someone like Ales Hemsky.
He's like a much better Martin Erat with a very checkered injury history. Hemsky is deceptively fast with unbelievable hands. He dangles and pases with the best of them. Hemsky has been knocked for not shooting enough, but when healthy, is a reliable 20-goal scorer. If traded to Nashville, Hemsky would instantly become the most talented offensive player on the team and it's not even close. His speed and puck handling would also mean less dump-and-dive offense and a sorely needed puck possession game.
Many Preds fans might balk at Hemsky's 4 goals, 18 assists and -15 this year. However, Hemsky has been knocked off Edmonton's top scoring line this year, made to play a shutdown role with Shawn Horcoff. He's acquitted himself fairly well in the role. But with Nashville's shutdown unit already well defined, Hemsky could focus on his offensive game, likely partnered with two of Smith/Legwand/Wilson. Combined with the fact he's been pretty unlucky in the goal scoring department (5.9% shooting vs. 11.4% for his career), Hemsky could be a something close to a point-per-game player down the stretch for the Preds.
Hemsky makes $5 million this season (cap hit: $4.1M) and is a Unrestricted Free Agent at the season's end. Since he's a guy I could see the Predators targeting in free agency anyway, it makes sense to get the jump on negotiations too.
The Oilers are a fit as trading partners because they desperately need defense prospects already a few years into their development. Think Jon Blum+a high conditional pick.
Hemsky is a constant injury risk, yes, but it's a high risk-high reward move. I don't think any Zach Parises are getting moved before February 27th. And at his best (healthiest), Hemsky is a top-3 winger. His injury history will also make him available at a discount, should the Preds want to resign him.
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2 people voted immediately after I posted
I guess nothing I was going to say could sway them
Sam Page - February 8, 2012
Your mind...
…has been BLOWN
Poiju - February 9, 2012
One factor to keep in mind is how the mainstream media is dogging Hemsky these days, which appears to be their way of doing the team’s PR work up front as they prepare to ship him out of town.
See recent stories such as:
http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/2/6/2776060/hemsky-83-revisited
http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/12/29/2667527/ales-hemsky-ryan-whitney-and-preferential-media-treatment
http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4289
http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4295
Dirk Hoag - February 8, 2012
The possible injuries are always scary...
But the potential reward sounds like it could be phenomenal. Can you imagine Hemsky on a line with HB and Willy, and the kind of speed, power, and control they would have??? Holy crap. Checking his stats on NHL.com, this also seems to be the first season since 05-06 that he hasn’t put up pretty impressive numbers (in respect to the number of games played each season).
davisca - February 8, 2012
Hemsky's in that Derek Roy area.
I think either would be Poile-like pickups to try to find a good forward on somewhat of a deal. After the Sabres big win tonight, who knows what they will want to do.
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
MEEEEH
could he help. yes. will he stay healthy enough to help. i wouldnt bet on it. no size, doesnt shoot enough makes me want to pass. had a lousy year. for blum and a pick is worth it i guess, but i aint excited. i would rather use blum to get a gill type.
predswilrule - February 8, 2012
Not so sure about Hemsky...Nash, Please?
Hey all, longtime reader, first time poster here. OTF just cracks me up at my desk at work, making co-workers probably a little uneasy.
I really dont mean to be a negative nancy, but I can’t see acquiring Hemsky as being worth what we’d have to surrender. I’m highly concerned with his back-checking, and think he’s kinda a defensive zone liability. That’s before we even get to the part about being banged up fairly often. Needless to say in the upcoming battle that will be the West playoffs, I hope we pick up someone with some sandpaper/durability. Which brings me to: Oh man, a king’s ransom for Rick Nash… Realistically, what do you guys think Columbus (if they’d even trade him inner-division) would want back from us? 1st, Lindback, C. Wilson, Blum?
515Predsfan - February 8, 2012
I don’t think you get rid of Wilson…period.
Predmonton - February 8, 2012
he would cost more than Wilson and Blum. And I am of the opinion that Willy should stay right here unless someone gets crazy.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Ditto. Willy’s going to be a consistent producer for years to come. Don’t get rid of that.
davisca - February 8, 2012
Wilson will be a star on this team. Great playmaker.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
yeah
I was kinda visualizing Wilson, Nash & Honeybadger on the same line for years to come..you know, that sorta daydream stuff. Then I realized there’s no way we could fit Nash’s salary in unless we made say Erat or Leggy part of the deal. I agree with you guys totally on Colin Wilson.
515Predsfan - February 8, 2012
uuhh
we have money to burn. Nash wouldn’t be a problem.
Shawn Kehoe - February 8, 2012
I think the problem would be the inter-division trade… Cbus ain’t gonna do that.
davisca - February 8, 2012
look for Toronto to make a crazy move like that.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
yes, it's highly doubtful
im just sayin that his contract wouldn’t be the issue.
Shawn Kehoe - February 8, 2012
don’t ever discount the dough that Toronto has to circumvent the cap. They would be more than happy to hide cap hits in the AHL
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Oh, yeah I know. It definitely wouldn’t be (and how AWESOME is it to be able to say that?!?). I was just adding on the part that would be a problem.
davisca - February 8, 2012
I’d rather them get Parise, than go after Nash.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
unfortunately i don’t think he is available until season’s end. Nash hypothetically might be available.
Shawn Kehoe - February 8, 2012
That team’s in turmoil. Anything’s possible.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
Speaking about NJ or CBS? (Either is possible in that sentence.)
davisca - February 8, 2012
Talking about NJ. I’d give CBS a wide birth.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
That’s what I figured. Yeah, anything’s possible… true. Something makes me feel like ZP is loyal enough to NJ to want to stay until the end of the season, regardless of turmoil, but like you said… who knows!
davisca - February 8, 2012
I don't think it's Zach Parise being loyal...
GM Lou Lamoriello is getting close to retirement, so it’s unlikely that he would be able to chair a rebuild. He would be looking for one more win to send his career off. I also believe (no actual proof) that Lou wants to privately help Marty get one more Cup for his personal resume.
Plus, the Devils are in the playoffs right now (5th in the East). Selling doesn’t make a lot of logical sense. It’s also tough to sell tickets to a dwindling fan base when you deal away the best player on the team who also happens to be an elite superstar.
JDesthubert - February 9, 2012
this season true
But if we’re talking re-signing Suter, Weber, Nash, Rinne=about 30 mil. That wouldnt leave us much down the road to fill out the rest of the roster. Sure is nice to think about Nash wearing one of our jerseys regardless!
515Predsfan - February 8, 2012
oh, we all can dream…..
I would love to have Evgeni Malkin with Rads and Wilson on his wing in Predator gold. With a pair of Swedish swimsuit models in the seat to my flanks feeding me Ho Ho’s and Chocodials. ohhhhh…..hmmm…
901predfan - February 8, 2012
And someone to hold your beer, right?
davisca - February 8, 2012
that would be a Crown on the rocks. don’t forget the babe sitting behind me kneading my shoulders and neck like fine Kobe beef.
Go Preds.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Your simile is as funny as Ilya Bryzgalov.
davisca - February 8, 2012
I have always liked Rooskies….
901predfan - February 8, 2012
They’re funny little folk.
davisca - February 8, 2012
I’m buyin’ what you’re sellin! I’d be perfectly fine with just the Rads & Wilson part, but I suspect the Russian mafia would disagree
515Predsfan - February 8, 2012
Swedish twins anyone? Probably not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6tBr6PMkBY
Predmonton - February 8, 2012
haha totally forgot about that commercial
classic!
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
Oldie but goodie.
Fantastic.
davisca - February 8, 2012
that would be my luck, the Sedin’s showing up in speedos……
901predfan - February 8, 2012
we already have Weber on the books at a 7.5m cap hit. Legwand and Erat’s contracts go down next season, freeing up a few mil. to equal out Rinne’s increase. That leaves us Suter and Wilson to lock up into new deals and we’re still below the cap midpoint. We have owners who say we’ll spend past the cap midpoint, there’s no reason to not believe we can’t take on another large salary.
Shawn Kehoe - February 8, 2012
good news then
Haha call me a one-track mind if you will then, but back to the what’s it gonna take to either get A: Rick Nash or B: Bobby Ryan
515Predsfan - February 8, 2012
Let's go ahead and dream BIG.
Why not both?
buckeye_jg - February 9, 2012
this may be true but hes due for a new contract after the season and you can expect he will be demanding some money. His agent will point at James Van Riemsdyk and his contract of 6-years $25.5 million. Wilson has a ton of trade value and could go a long way in making a trade.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
a gamble, but I like the odds
pull the trigger already. We have the room, we have the need. Sure, we would all love to get Bobby Ryan or Parise, but if all it is costing us is a prospect and a pick, what are we waiting on. He is a rental after all, and if he gets hurt on the run because of his UFA status it won’t turn into Lombardi v.2.0
You can forget about Rick Nash, that deal ain’t happening. That is unless Columbus management has taken leave of their senses dealing that kind of asset in their own division.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Good Start
Getting Hemsky, a definite case for a player needing a fresh start, would be a good move. Wouldn’t cost too much (be it picks or salary) and he would contribute immediately. I continue to make the case for Paul Stastny, who I really think would be a great addition. If they can keep this team together, they’re gonna be a dangerous and potentially dominant team, for years to come. Pull the trigger!!!
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
You are selling Erat short...
Hemsky is not better than Erat. I have often thought that they were somehow twins separated at birth, both very talented, and both prone to injury. While I don’t agree with your assessment that Hemsky instantly become the best forward on the Preds and think we still need to add a power forward, I agree that adding Hemsky is a smart move. This is probably as low as Hemsky’s stock will be for a long time. If we can get him for cheap then do it, he does open up the ice, but I don’t want to hear a bunch of complaining in here about how much he passes.
Predmonton - February 8, 2012
we are building an immunity to the pass first shoot later syndrome of Pred forwards.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Yeah, shooters would be nice but I think we can accomplish that with centers: Fish, Willy, HB, Smithson/other
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
Yup.
davisca - February 8, 2012
I'm voting no
unless we can get him for Blum + anything 3rd round or worse pick.
Shawn Kehoe - February 8, 2012
Preds need a GOAL scorer
Do the Preds need another set up man? Sure, Hemsky is a good player but is he really what the Preds need? Would picking up Hemsky be enough to show Suter and Weber that ownership stepped up and got the right guy to fill the needs? I personally think that the answer to all those questions is a no, not at all. The Preds need a game changing scoring forward and they have enough assets to go and get one. Hemsky has only hit 20+ goals twice in 8 seasons (23g career high) and is injury prone. Poile, step it up and have the balls to pick up Carters 10+ years contract. The only way the Preds are getting a star player is through the draft or through trades. Its impossible to lure any superstar forward here with just money. Better off using Blum in a trade for a better player than Hemsky.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
no way we should go after Carter
10 year commitment on a guy with a bad attitude and party mentality? Talent be damned, that shit won’t fly with our coach.
Shawn Kehoe - February 8, 2012
Or our fans.
davisca - February 8, 2012
They also said that about SOB and Kostitsyn…they both worked out here pretty well. Carter is EXACTLY what the Preds need. Great at faceoffs, PK, scoring, so what if he has a bad attitude. If theres any coach that can put a stop to it, its Barry Trotz. Not to mention that Columbus isnt expecting a monster package in return for him. Goal scoring puts butts in the seats and is what will push this Preds team over the edge and be the final piece of the puzzle.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
You’re kidding about the monster package, right? Especially if they’re trading him inter-division??? They’re gonna want a lot, if nothing else, just because they’re going to have to play against him 6 times a year for the next 11 years.
davisca - February 8, 2012
They only traded Jakub Vorachek and their 1st round pick for Carter when he was with Philly. They know after the season he has had so far that they wont be getting more than another prospect and a 1st rounder in return. Carter seems to hate it in Columbus and who could blame him. Bring him to an actual contender team and I would bet he will be back to his 35+goals each season.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
This is EXACTLY why Columbus would want to get a TON from us for him:
They are NOT gonna want to play against that.
davisca - February 8, 2012
Carter and his contract will not play in Nashville.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
We already beat them all the time as is? What does it matter to them? :P
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
Shame? LOL
davisca - February 8, 2012
Come on, Columbus knows they are no where near being a contender team and wont be for some time. If they were getting close to the playoffs each year then your situation would apply, but they are no where near that.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
I think CBS hangs on to Carter, through next year’s deadline. One, to have a full season with Nash, and two, to possibly get more in return than they would right now.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
Hey, everyone thought Columbus was going to be excellent this year. You never know what to expect. Plus, if they AREN’T doing well right now, why would they want to screw their chances of being ABLE to improve by giving Carter to their closest and most annoying rival, and subsequently probably lose 12 points a year over the next 11 years?? Even if they only get close enough to make 8th seed (or even fall just barely out of seeding), those 12 points are gonna make a big difference.
davisca - February 8, 2012
difference is, SOB and Kostitsyn were very cheap gambles, Carter ain’t…
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
That is the type of gamble that puts small market teams like us in Quebec….
901predfan - February 8, 2012
they are also the gambles that make us able to compete on a budget.
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
We can get someone better (not “points wise”, but generally… attitude, contract, etc.) than Carter for less, and still up our salary cap hit.
davisca - February 8, 2012
we HAVE to add someone, and quickly. For unfortunately more reasons than just manning up for a run in the playoffs. Remember, we have two defenseman/general managers that want us to make a move.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Oh, absolutely we do. We better! I’m just saying I don’t like Carter’s contract, and I think we do better. The money thing is vaguely relevant to my opinion on Carter, but it mostly has to do with the contract.
Regardless, however, we HAVE to spend something, and soon. What worries me is not whether or not GMDP WANTS to make a trade and spend money… I honestly, truly think he does. What worries me is that I don’t think there are a ton of options right now. Like he said in one of those articles linked the other day, there are 20 teams looking to buy, and all of whom are actively pursuing 6 or 7 players. We just have to figure out how to get not just one of those guys, but the RIGHT one of those guys.
davisca - February 8, 2012
Preds get Hemsky AND Statsny for less than Carter already costs. I’m telling you, Statsny would be a perfect player for this system.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
we are certainly in a lose/lose situation. if we do nothing we get to wave good by to Suter. If we do go out and make a deal, we totally overpay.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Suter isn’t going anywhere.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
hope you are not betting your life on that……
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Write it down.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
I will love being wrong, trust me.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Honestly, to me, doesn’t matter if we over-pay a little bit right now.
Any team who ends up buying any player right now is going to over-pay. The playoffs are approaching! That seller team knows you’re desperate…
davisca - February 8, 2012
I would rather us do something then stand pat, it just stinks that there are not as many sellers this year. I blame the loser point.
although I am glad we received it last night.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
I still think Poile will do SOMETHING before the playoffs, even if there isn’t a lot available. He’ll find a way. He’s GMDP! He never fails to surprise. He also knows that, to a degree, the future of this franchise depends on making that trade.
davisca - February 8, 2012
it really does suck.
the one year Poile finally gets thrown enough money to sign a guy, and nobody’s selling anyone….
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
Worse timing has never existed, I agree.
davisca - February 8, 2012
Oh please, don’t get an ass-burn from sliding down that slippery slope!
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
Yeah, the Preds aren’t going anywhere. We’ve already jumped that hurtle.
davisca - February 8, 2012
You know, I believe that as well. However, a handful of crap seasons is not something this market will be able to endure, not yet.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
wow, awfully pessimistic
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
not at all. I am just realistic. I love the Preds and spend far too much time and money on them. However, I also realize that in a transitioning market we are challenged a little more in terms of money and support than your more traditional markets.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
I think people will freak out a little if we suck for a few years, sure. But I don’t think we’re going to be moved if that does indeed happen. We’re arguably one of the best scouting/development teams in the NHL… so in theory, we wouldn’t have to wait long for some quality players to wander up the steps into the NHL.
davisca - February 8, 2012
The team’s got a great system, which is why it can’t continually plug farm players in. Time for some serious skill.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
Yeah, I agree. I was just responding to the hypothetical “we suck for a few years” thing. And hey, if nothing else, we can use the players coming up through our great system to get some of that serious skill…!
davisca - February 8, 2012
True, but I was just using them as two example of players with not so great pasts that were able to make it here in Nashville.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
I get it. but lets not forget that neither of those two represented a fair chance in going to salary cap purgatory.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Neither of those guys showed that they were capable of scoring 40+ goals in a season either.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
and they didn’t come with a shitty 10 year contract only topped by the said player’s attitude.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Rec'd
davisca - February 8, 2012
oh, and what i meant was “fece’d” contract.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
yes, please watch that
Dirk Hoag - February 8, 2012
Well where else do you think they Preds are going to get a 35+ goal scorer? They couldnt pay someone enough money to come here through free agency and I hope to god we dont have to get one with a #1 overall pick in a draft. The only way the Preds get a goal scorer is through a trade. I wouldn’t mind being able to watch Carter play for us every year for the next 10 years. I also wouldn’t mind all the goals he will score over the next 10 years.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
I think this organization has some 35 plus scorers on the horizon, if Willy and HB keep developing like they are, and we catch a break with our eccentric Russian friend. We are heading in the right direction. NOW, lets not confuse this with the immediate need to add a scorer.
Again, methinks Carter is not the type of contract this team needs.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
That contract is like a baby.
Once you have it, it is AWFULLY hard to get rid of.
davisca - February 8, 2012
Here are some options:
- Ryan Smyth (he’s getting older, but still producing)
- Ales Hemsky (injuries, but he’s been almost a PPG for years)
- Bobby Ryan (probably not, unfortunately)
- Paul Stastny (not sure if he’s on the market, but someone mentioned him, and I say yes)
davisca - February 8, 2012
I’d be all for Paul Stastny but they are a bubble playoff team and I would think by trading him away they would also be throwing away their playoff chances.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
http://www.puckmeplease.com/nhl-trade-rumors/486-paul-stastny-trade-rumors.html
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
I’m telling ya — Stastny and Hemsky. Problem solved.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
If that rumor is indeed true, I would bet my dog that Poile knows about it, and is at least pursuing the possibility of it. Also Hemsky.
Get those two? Game, set, freaking MATCH.
davisca - February 8, 2012
HERE WE COME LORD STANLEY!
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1057343-nhl-trade-rumors-the-7-best-deals-so-far/page/2
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
Eh, Buffalo sucks. I’m gonna hope that Stastny would want to come play with a currently competitive (and consistently competitive!) team.
davisca - February 8, 2012
So does the Bleacher Report. Buy what they’re selling at your own risk.
CAustin - February 9, 2012
But… but I want to have hope!
:)
davisca - February 9, 2012
Nashville’s a better fit than Buffalo. Nicer people, too!!
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
that would be super
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
LOL
After reading that I was thinking the same thing. Now that would be amazing, making trades to get Stastny from Colorado and Hemsky from Edmonton!
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
It’d be cheaper than Carter!
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
Hear hear!!!
davisca - February 8, 2012
lets go ahead and declare Carter, along with his more desirable compadre Nash as….
Not happening
Ales and Stastny are the way to go.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
I am completely aboard that wagon.
I’m waving my arms and cheering and shouting and pulling more people with me.
davisca - February 8, 2012
god if corey perry ends up in vancouver...
i shudder to think…
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
NO.
davisca - February 8, 2012
That rumor article is a year old!
Dirk Hoag - February 9, 2012
I posted it, then realized it was a year old. Sorry. Just trying to make the point that the guy could be available.
Mike Cr - February 9, 2012
The second link is new as of Tuesday, though. Doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen, but is still interesting.
davisca - February 9, 2012
let us not forget that Blum’s stock is not exactly at it’s apex right now. With the seller market that this trade deadline is looking like you are going to find Blum is not going to fetch us that much. I would jump for joy if Blum was all it would take to land someone like Hemsky.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Blum and a 2nd or 3rd rounder oughta do it.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
Couldn’t we also toss in one of our better AHL guys, too? They’re in the process of rebuilding a team FULL of young guys… maybe they could use another. I have no idea what our AHL team looks like productivity-wise, but I assume SOMEONE’S gotta be doing well.
davisca - February 8, 2012
Mueller
Predmonton - February 8, 2012
Bourque has shown himself to be a pretty good player.
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
Good call.
Predmonton - February 8, 2012
Yeah, I’d be willing to trade Gabby. He’s shown that he’s a great hustler, he can pass well, he forechecks, he backchecks… within a few years, I think he could be an excellent 2-3rd line player.
davisca - February 8, 2012
Right I rather keep Mueller for our 4th/call-up center. I think you gotta replace Smithson with him (or someone else) at some point.
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
Agree with that
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
I also agree. Sounds good to me.
davisca - February 8, 2012
I STILL think they oughta take a run at Paul Statsny.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
I like the sound of that.
Predmonton - February 8, 2012
I honestly dunno much about him, but I’m gonna go do some research… will return soon with more productive things to say.
davisca - February 8, 2012
After a quick bit of research on Paul, I’m on board. Is he even on the trade market?
davisca - February 8, 2012
I think it would be tough with Colorado riding the bubble.
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
That’s why I was wondering, yep.
davisca - February 8, 2012
We have some fresh prospects. I still think Taylor Beck is going to be a stud.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Exactly.
I feel like Nashville is pretty well known for their fantastic scouting/development skills…. we should wave some of that delightful bait under various GM-noses…
davisca - February 8, 2012
Budish isn’t having a bad season on the #1-ranked Gophers!
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
I just hope that guys knees hold up, we could use a big power forward like that in the worst way.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Austin Watson is even better, but I gotta wonder if he’s going to be part of a trade.
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
Austin's stats:
21G 26A for 47 points in 43 games. He got traded in the OHL mid-season and has 7 of those goals and 7 assists in the 11 games with the league-leading London Knights.
DonBorvio - February 8, 2012
Holy crap. I’m feeling greedy and don’t want to get rid of him now, haha. But he could DEFINITELY be a helpful trade piece.
davisca - February 8, 2012
problem is, who is being made available at the trade deadline that fits that mold, except carter
but no way in hell does CBJ trade him to their biggest rival…
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
+1000
davisca - February 8, 2012
Hemsky makes us a better team. Period. If we could make an early deal, who knows what additional player may pop up at the deadline.
This team needs to win now.
Predator Don - February 8, 2012
I’m with you sir!
901predfan - February 8, 2012
As I am! Who else is with us??
davisca - February 8, 2012
Erat would love for this trade to happen
too bad Suter isn’t Czech.
JBoogie22 - February 8, 2012
Haha!
davisca - February 8, 2012
Okay, so now that we've decided on Ales and Paul...
What do we trade for them?
davisca - February 8, 2012
(Oh, and I feel like adding that one of the biiiiiiig ol’ positives of trading for these two guys is that neither of their teams are going to get Sutber for them. Me likey.)
davisca - February 8, 2012
Edmonton needs a defenseman, and they already covet the human rocket ship. I love that little dude, but if he had to go………
901predfan - February 8, 2012
I love HR too, but for Hemsky? As much as it hurts to admit it…. I think I’d be willing to part with him.
davisca - February 8, 2012
me too. I had the opportunity to sit on the glass last night, and it was distressing to see Kessler only being annoyed by him like a elephant would be to a blowfly.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
I think in a few years, once he buffs up a little more and learns the NHL-level game a little more, he’s gonna be a freaking beast. I’d just be sad that he wouldn’t get to break records here in Nashville, if we moved him :(
davisca - February 8, 2012
I just don’t buy into him that much……he can move the puck, yes. I just think he will top out to a Frankie Bullion in the defensive zone. I am not a huge fan of Frankie Boo, but I do dig on his many nicknames.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
I think he’s going to be more effective than Cube. They’re the same size, yeah, but I think HR has better vision and a MUCH better shot. Hell, if someone takes him on only for his PP expertise and ability, that team will be happy, happy little campers.
davisca - February 9, 2012
That shouldn’t happen.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
???
901predfan - February 8, 2012
I thought I was responding to HR for Hemsky
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
I think it is viable, what would make it stink is Hemsky is unrestricted.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Not even for a potential big-goal scorer? I love HR as much as the next guy, and I would LOVE for him to stay in Nashville (really, I would), but if getting rid of him means a potential trip to the SCF…
davisca - February 8, 2012
I’m with you on this one. I don’t think he is un-touchable.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Blum and conditional pick for Hemsky.
Lindback and ? for Stastny.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
Lindback and Gabby for Stastny?
davisca - February 8, 2012
Probably would take more than that.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
A pick, perhaps?
davisca - February 8, 2012
a 6.6 cap hit? ouchy. But, lets not forget, Hemskey would be coming off the books if we just treated him as a rental.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Very true. And who knows who’s gonna open up after the season’s over. If we needed to get rid of Hemsky afterwards to acquire someone bigger and better, it’s not too hard to do so.
davisca - February 9, 2012
I am not really up on Stastny’s contract situation to really think about that one, is he UFA? and if not how many years does he have on his contract?
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Apparently he’s UFA in 2014 ($6.6).
davisca - February 8, 2012
This is the website to use.
davisca - February 8, 2012
or cap geek
Creeping Death - February 8, 2012
yeah, capgeek is great, I am just to lazy to go put that much thought into it right now…..
901predfan - February 8, 2012
He’s on for 6.6 through 2014.
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
interesting note. his sister, Alice Hemsky, played on the Czech female olympic team
Creeping Death - February 8, 2012
and lets not forget that Alice Cooper really likes the Predators. I don’t think you can find a better synergy.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Alice Cooper is a Phoenix Coyotes fan.
Predaceous - February 9, 2012
Wow, I can't believe I'm actually asking for clarification on this...
I feel like I know the answer to this, but for some reason I’m going completely blank right now.
Can you trade for someone while they’re still under contract with their current team?? (i.e., not currently UFA or whatever)
davisca - February 8, 2012
yes. unless they have a no-movment clause, or a stupid contract like Carter or Luongo which is then a defacto non-movment clause.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
Okay, yeah I did know that. I have NO idea why I blanked on that… haha.
davisca - February 8, 2012
Isn’t that the Carter and Mike Richards deals? They sign huge contracts, then get shipped out of town, before no-trade clauses kick in?
Mike Cr - February 8, 2012
I am thinking them and their agents were betting no one was stupid enough to make those deals. They forgot about Columbus and LA.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
XM home ice was reporting that the Carter no trade clause did not go to Columbus. Something about the language of the contract but when he was traded out of philly the NTC was canceled.
I don’t want Hemsky. How would he be in our top 3 when he isn’t in bottom feeder edmonton’s top 3. Fisher, erat and Wilson are all still ahead of him if he were traded here.
Smyth, statsny, Ryan, and Roy give me those guys.
Who is HR (I know it stands for human rocketship)?
And btw IMO we have 5 untouchables and that is it (6,12,20,33,35). Everyone else is fair game in the right deal. Erat and smith are getting to that status but Erat’s injury history is questionable and the badger has come back to earth.
Straw poll would you do: E. Staal and pitkanen for ellis, blum, Bourque and a 1st?
wrandsw - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Ryan Ellis is HR.
davisca - February 9, 2012
He scores goals on the moon.
Predanooga - February 9, 2012
To bad he knows how to score goals in a bunch of juniors sweater but not a Preds sweater (which is the only reason he is on this team).
I wouldn’t trade him for hemsky unless Omark or MJP was coming with Hemsky, but centerpiece of a nash, parise, or Ryan deal absolutely.
wrandsw - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Well, take into consideration how many games he’s played in, too… not that many, all considering. Also? It’s his very first season playing in the NHL. Give the guy a break. He’ll start scoring soon enough; just let him get his feet firmly underneath him.
davisca - February 9, 2012
18 gp, 2 g, 5 a
In a limited roll, this kid is .389 ppg and a +6.
@wrandsw: What exactly are we expecting out of him in a limited, rookie role? That’s a helluva start for a D Man, imo. Hell, it’s pretty close to what our Captain’s rookie year was like.
Poiju - February 9, 2012
E. Staal is talented, but imagine what else you could get for his $8.25 Mil for the next four years. Hemsky is a lot more talented than shown by his stats this year. He would be a great depth add at RW, which would not displace Fisher, and doesn’t Wilson actually play LW even though he is a center. I agree with you that I would much rather put our chips all into getting one really good power forward instead of depth pieces, but the market may not allow for that unless some teams just start tanking. I doubt Carolina would let Staal go anyhow, and I don’t care for us to pick up Smyth because he is just going to resign with Edmonton at the end of the season.
Predmonton - February 9, 2012
I don’t think Ales wouldn’t be in our top 3 (nice double negative there, self!). He’s played in the league for 10 years now; that’s a LOT more experience than Willy has, and while I love Willy, he hasn’t been nearly as productive as Hemsky has been. I think he will be, one day, but he isn’t there yet.
Here were the general lines from the Vancouver game the other night. They changed a little throughout the night, obviously (wouldn’t be Barry otherwise!), but I think they’re good general guidelines:
(1) Fish-Rat-Tits
(2) Leggy-Willy-Horny
(3) Badger-Hustle-Smithy
(4) Spals-Yip-Toots
I’d have no problem sticking Hemsky in Tits’ spot (and he’s a RW, too!). Then I’d say (without a ton of thought put into it for right now) rotate Tits, Badger, and Horny in and out of the 2nd and 3rd lines. Or, maybe Tits could be part of the trade for Hemsky… Blum and Tits?
davisca - February 9, 2012
Essentially hemsky replaces SK74
SK74 gives you want Hemsky is. Why trade an asset for a potential injury waiting to happen when tits does the same thing and knows what is expected to play in Trotz ’s system?
wrandsw - February 9, 2012 via mobile
I thinks SK74 is a LW and Erat is the RW on that line?
Predmonton - February 9, 2012
Oops, yea I think I switched them. Thanks. I do remember reading that Marty is pretty comfortable playing both wings, though, so it could still be applicable.
davisca - February 9, 2012
Yea, you have a good point.
It was just a thought, replacing one with the other, but I see what you’re talking about. I guess the one thing I could see working better with Hemsky is that historically he has a higher point-per-game average than Tits (I’m not doing the math right now, but I’m pretty positive.) Even though there were seasons where he didn’t play tons of games, he still produced consistently (i.e., 22GP, 22P; 47GP, 42P). Tits produces, but not quite at that rate. So yeah…. replacing one with the other is probably not be the best idea, but I just thought I’d throw it out there.
davisca - February 9, 2012
no one's going to trade for erat, with his contract.
plus i hope they don’t trade erat because i think he has even better years ahead of him….
plus plus: MARTY PARTIES!!!
JBoogie22 - February 9, 2012
I WANNA TICKET TO THE MARTY PARTY!
davisca - February 9, 2012
do not want
I would rather us not trade for anyone than bring this loser in.
Joel Ward is my Homeboy - February 8, 2012 via mobile
Why don't you like him??
davisca - February 8, 2012
are we talking about Hemsky or Stastny, or Carter? or Nash? we have talked about many here tonight.
901predfan - February 8, 2012
I’m assuming he’s talking about Hemsky, just cause it’s a new comment.
davisca - February 9, 2012
Granted I never watch the oilers play (like 2-3 times a year) but I have never seen anything that impressed me. Sure he seems to rack up the assists but we have too few people that shoot the puck as it is so who is he going to get the assists from? Add to that the health issues and what the oilers seem to want for him and I say pass all day every day. granted if we make a move it will likely be for him.
Joel Ward is my Homeboy - February 9, 2012
Whoa whoa whoa...
What is this????
MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT
davisca - February 8, 2012
I bet it is that Chelios is a sissy. Glad they are finally going to admit it!
Creeping Death - February 9, 2012
winter classic, windfall for Detroit and Toronto……yawn…..
901predfan - February 9, 2012
Oh right… I forgot: tis the season.
davisca - February 9, 2012
Should be that the Preds are poised to be the next Red Wings, if they can only pull the trigger and spend some dough . . .
Mike Cr - February 9, 2012
#barterforcarter
TheEraser35 - February 8, 2012
Just cause tomorrow night is the night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMxJzdVYtXY
Creeping Death - February 9, 2012
That's hilarious!
Though I always feel kinda bad for people with stupid laughs, haha.
davisca - February 9, 2012
I never did…. until they invented youtube
Creeping Death - February 9, 2012
I just watched that 10 times.
We. Need. Spezza.
Poiju - February 9, 2012
wow....
JBoogie22 - February 9, 2012
It would cost more
There will be a lot of people calling about Hemsky. I would be shocked if it took less than 2 high picks and a top prospect to get him.
MattBen - February 9, 2012
The Reinvented Predators
0:32 seconds in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH8-LZetGjs
Predmonton - February 9, 2012
Just throw some players names in it and your lines are ready to go.
Predmonton - February 9, 2012
I want that blender!!!!
davisca - February 9, 2012
Blum seems expendable, but should't be wasted
Blum is our best asset to trade right now. He has a high profile and brings skills we can replace with Josi and Ellis as a puck moving defenseman. Using him to buy a rental player or a guy we don’t absolutely want would be foolhardy to me. He should be a significant component in a trade over the offseason. Teams will no longer be forced in to the buyer/seller mentality and will be willing to make more significant deals affecting them long term. I’d rather use him in a major deal for a consistent 30 or 35+ goal scorer than waste him at a time of already inflated prices during a severe seller’s market to get a mediocre scorer. We need a solid shutdown defenseman and maybe another 20 goal guy right now. We just aren’t geared to win the cup this year, but a real playoff run is possible and necessary to build confidence/experience. Next year and the years after are our real chance to ascend into NHL elite status, but we must exercise patience during this season. An aggressive move is a must during June, but right now we should calm down and make a smart acquisition
Predfan19 - February 9, 2012
The problem is that in order to HAVE the chance to ascend into NHL elite status, we have to make that trade now. Yes, it needs to be a smart acquisition, absolutely, but if we can make a smart acquisition by getting rid of Blum, than I don’t see why we shouldn’t. If we don’t, Sutber ain’t gonna be here to let us BE long-term elite contenders… Blum has potential, absolutely, but I feel like there are other guys that have just as much potential. We have drafted very well defensively for a long time.
davisca - February 9, 2012
*then
davisca - February 9, 2012
the thing with blum
He has the size and if he just bulks up some he will be a real good solid d guy. he will be an asset for any team in just a few years. While yes id love to keep him if it ment picking up a 35+ goal scorer id pull the trigger
Shadow23 - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
Hemsky wouldn't be a terrible pickup
but I don’t think he addresses the two offensive needs that I think we have, which are:
1. a goal scorer
2. a big body forward
I personally think guys like Clowe, Ruutu, Doan, etc would be the best fit because of being able to contribute offensively as well as maintaining possession down low after laying waste to defenders on dump in’s. These guys would help create space for other forwards to, contributing to “team” offense. They would also be cheaper than a 30+ goal scorer…
However, if guys like Ryan, AK, Parise, Semin, etc are not going to be available, Hemsky is definitely better than several of our forwards. For that reason alone, I think it’s hard to say he wouldn’t be a decent acquisition.
Marcus Newman - February 9, 2012
I Don't Get The Hemsky Lovefest
His stats are pedestrian, not elite. Why is he considered such a hot prospect. Oft injured and only hit the 20 goal mark twice. I’ll pass.
Predaceous - February 9, 2012
Tom Cruise, he's not.
OddManRush - February 9, 2012
Absolutely brilliant.
davisca - February 9, 2012
wait… you all don’t want Carter on this team because his contract is awful, but want Stastny?
so it is only the length of the contract that bothers you, because Stastny’s contract pays more per season.
djzielin - February 9, 2012
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